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SoCal's Guide to Ordering Proxies
Seller types and advantages / disadvantages from safest to least-safe:
Buying direct from a manufacturer:
- Safest (you can buy from aliexpress and get paypal / cc protection).
- Lower quality control - it's possible to get leftovers or bad printings.
- English usually not their first language but communication is good enough.
- Longer lead times and shipping times (ships from China).
- Don't support buying singles. They sell 'sets' in order to move the most product.
- Buying sets is the cheapest way to obtain proxies directly from the manufacturer. You'll get known unplayables so it's best to read reviews about a set before ordering it to make sure the cards that are playable justify the cost for you to get all the unplayable cards in addition.
- Cost per card is usually less than a dollar but you get lots of cards you don't need since you have to order one set at a time.
- Second safest (reputation is everything for them but they can technically drop off the face of the planet but this hasn't happened before. you can opt-in to PayPal protection if you pay the 3% fee for it).
- Very high quality control - you can specify quality and sets and they usually throw away any cards with printing defects and some only stock the best printing versions of certain cards. In general you get a lot more control over quality, set, and printing when using a reseller.
- English is usually their first language.
- Very short lead times and shipping times (you can find a reseller in your country).
- You can buy singles since resellers buy sets in bulk and resell cards individually. This is how they make a profit. Some only resell BL, some only WSG, and some both. Always good to ask first. You save money because you don't have to buy entire sets which means receiving cards you don't need.
- Buying singles from resellers is the most cost effective way to get high quality proxies without being stuck with bulk / chaff / unplayables / unneeded cards.
- Cost per card is around $3 per card depending on the seller. Negotiation on large orders is possible but depends on reseller.
- Third safest (people can disappear in an instant but you still have paypal protection IF you pay for it).
- Unpredictable quality control. People are selling proxies they don't need. This means they got them from a set and were extra (unlikely) or they just weren't up to FNM quality (more likely).
- English is usually their first language.
- Short lead times and shipping times depend on their location, US or EU, it depends on the seller.
- They usually only sells singles / their leftovers / the cards they don't need. These proxies either were extras from sets they ordered or are proxies they no longer in use.
- Buying singles from community members should be even cheaper than resellers but as I mentioned earlier quality is not guaranteed on either print run or overall proxy itself.
- Cost per card is more negotiable but shipping is almost always a decent cost because community members don't have deals with shipping companies since their shipping volume is much lower than a bulk reseller or a manufacturer.
Black Lotus (BL):
- Black lotus is a legendary manufacturer. They release 'versions' of which we're currently on 7.0 and have provided feedback and are waiting on the release of 8.0.
- A good amount of BL's cards are very very playable and high quality. Certain cards have known issues that eventually get fixed in later versions. Emphasis on eventually.
- Communication back and forth is almost non-existent regarding card errors and what the community wants / needs worked on. This is BL's biggest drawback.
- BL's store on AliExpress does not offer any discounts for buying in bulk. You have to order through Ron who is a chinese reseller to get bulk deals. This is BL's second biggest drawback.
- WSG are the up-and-coming manufacturer. They release 'sets' frequently based on card type. 'H' for 'holo' or holo-stamped cards: H1, H2, H3, etc. 'F' for foil cards. F1, F2, F3, etc. Letters for non-foil non-holo: A, B, C, etc.
- They've had issues in the past with customer service and are currently having some issues with consistency and quality. Cards with issues get fixed a lot faster than Black Lotus but on average their cards aren't as good as BL's and require revisions to perfect.
- Communication back and forth is almost daily which is in stark contrast to Black Lotus who likes to remain underground.
- They have sales on new sets very frequently and also heavily support buying in bulk. They are the cheapest way to get tons of proxies if interested in buying in bulk directly from a manufacturer.
- MPC's business model is to take image / photoshop files of a very specific format with all copyrights removed and print them onto a playing card. They do all custom orders there are no sets or revisions they just print image files onto cards.
- MPC's cards are generally not considered FNM playable because that's not their business model. Cards have custom backs to get around copyright and are easily distinguished from their real counterparts.
- Communication is great because they're an english speaking company. Orders without copyright symbols removed get rejected and the buyer must provide all the necessary image files for the cards they want.
- I'm not aware of MPC offering any discounts for buying in bulk but they generally are the cheapest source of cards since they outsource all the hard work to their customers (providing the card to print in a specific format).
- VintageBoots on reddit runs a made-to-order shop where he takes card names and does all the heavy lifting for you - photoshopping all the card images and sending them to MPC and then mailing the cards to you when they're done. This is the best way to get kitchen table proxies in the most convenient faction.
- Wish - No idea where these cards come from. Not sure on quality. Look more than good enough for casual or kitchen table play.
- UndergroundSea - Known WSG reseller. Might get other cards from other sources as well. Supports singles I believe.
- Etsy - Random proxies used to show up on here from time to time from unnamed sources. Buy with caution. Most cards right now seem to be alters.
MoonTheBootLegger (Moon, MoonTBL):
- Moon is a US reseller and sells BL's product across various sets always keeping the best versions of a card in stock. He's recently been getting into selling WSG product now for certain cards / prints based on what he deems is good enough.
- Moon is a legend who puts quality first and play tests cards himself at GP's. He gets busy frequently so it's best to have your shit together. Know what you want and be concise and ready to pay.
- Moon doesn't have a site. Contact him directly.
- Ron is in China and provides direct BL reseller / set / bulk services. You can order individual cards, you might be able to specify print version (not sure), and you can definitely save when buying multiple BL sets in bulk.
- Ron doesn't have a site that I'm aware of - just an imgur album with sets (these are all BL's sets 1:1) and an email to reach him at.
- Inventory: link here
- Email: [email protected]
- Skype: ron.liu1964
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2LEDLsTQ3P-8hzueCEWE6w
- Imgur: http://gailcao888.imgur.com/
- Proxy King is a staple of the community who has been reselling cards for quite a while now.
- I sells BL product as well as cards "belonging to my own batch" (his words). He explicitly mentioned italian cards.
- He is only taking orders via Reddit right now. He is also available via the Rocket.Chat.
- He has two locations for shipping - one EU location and one in China.
- VZ is one of the original BL resellers.
- Some have argued he's even tied to or knows the BL manufacturer personally
- Email: [email protected]
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJGyma7Pbw9_1hqRpT_Ifw
- Gail is a BL reseller but I don't know how I found out about him
- I don't know anything personally about Gail
- He does sell miniature 'land' sets though which is cool which consist of sets of 'shocks', 'duals', and 'fetches'.
- Email: [email protected]
- Inventory: link here
TLDR; If you're just getting into proxies grab a Lands set from BL on AliExpress and maybe a F or H set from WSG and then check out some resellers if ordering singles or bulk. Don't discount MPC if all you need is kitchen playable cards. They'll print anything you want any time for the best price. They just don't specialize in 1:1 copies of cards.
Ninja edit: If anyone is interested in joining a proxy-friendly commander playgroup in SoCal that I'm leading feel free to PM me on reddit. We need 1 more player to get the group off the ground but ideally we'd like 3 more players so people can take vacations and the group can still meet with 4. Thanks!